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Crime and Punishment in Walthamstow

by technomist @ 2008-07-14 - 17:42:48

Crime and punishment, when not about politicians trying to hold onto power, is supposed to be about carrots and sticks.

Whether making the victims of knife crime put up with yobs gawping at them is some kind of clever ruse to stop them blocking beds in the NHS I don't know, but every instinct (and I am a wishy-washy do-goody liberal who actually does know what is in the Human Rights Act and thinks that most of it ought to be there) tells me that this kind of response to knife crime can not possible be described as a 'stick' to discourage the perpetrators. Nor is it much of a carrot for anybody. It ain't going to work.

Having been to our over-stretched Whipp's Cross accident and emergency in the early hours of the morning a few times, which is probably when most of the fresher knife wounds are on display of a weekend, the last thing I can imagine the staff will want will be even more feral young wannabe hardmen wandering around while they are trying to ignore the smell of vomited alcohol in the waiting room and conduct triage in a calm professional environment. Knowing that these yobbos' presence is going to keep Gordon Brown in power not a day longer will be no incentive to make them want to go along with this pantomime of justice at the expense of patient care.

The best news on the local crime front today is not the nonsense that the Home Secretary came up with over the weekend. (This, as I predicted, was clearly cobbled together in some hurried desperation. Someone, I am willing to bet, will soon be transfered to count sheep in the Orkneys, for having looked in the wrong filing cabinet.)

No, the best news was the arrest of the man who allegedly murdered Adnan Patel, along with three other men allegedly connected with this killing. Given this, the unusual sight of police vans in the neighbourhood, and the amount of helicopter activity we have had to put up with over the weekend (the police always do this when they want us to know they are busy), it is not surprising that the High Street was strangely empty this morning. Not of customers, I should say, but of the Romanian shell game scam gangs who have been such a fixture recently. You could see the shopkeepers and sales-staff up and down the High Street standing in their doorways wondering if something unusual had happened. Not really, its just an unfamiliar local outbreak of some law and order. It remains to be seen how long this will last. The Chinese gang, I should say, either don't have the English to know what has been going on or they are all made of sterner stuff: five of them were working a hundred yard stretch of the High Street, making a killing with their pirate DVDs and smuggled cigarettes as usual.

Meanwhile, we are told that Yusufu Miiro, the other man murdered, this time by someone in a hoodie and mask who can't yet, for obvious reasons, be arrested, had been studying criminology at Middlesex University before his life was cut short on Thursday. His ambition in life had been to be a detective.

*Three more arrests in the Adnan Patel murder were made this morning, 16 July 2008.


 
 

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menhirmenhir [Member]
2008-07-14 @ 18:00

Please leave Orkney out of this-your imports are not required. The sheep and other breathing life want to stay that way.

I am sorry to say that I do not know the names of the poor victims that you mention but I am glad that alleged perpetrators of crimes are being brought to justice. The Orcadians do that too, and they are very persistent about getting there.

Your thoughts on facing 'reality' in A & E follow mine and many other peoples thinking, yes, there is enough going on in A & E, at any time, without the additional clutter of unwanted able bodies who could cause greater nuisance and distress. Who will these politicians admit is advising them this time? They obviously have never set foot in emergency settings let alone taken cognisance of people's rights to privacy and confidentiality.

Everything the politicians are saying, addresses the no-cost, low cost option. It does nothing for restorative work or to help those workers who are in the front line of people-work professions who, heaven only knows, could do with a fillip and the occasional bit of encouragement.

technomisttechnomist [Member]
2008-07-14 @ 18:11

Yes, it may be a bit unfair on the Orkneys, though I do know a retired judge who lives there who could be asked to help set whichever civil servant came up with this idea straight.

menhirmenhir [Member]
2008-07-14 @ 19:35

If your friend the judge has retired to the busy social life of the Orkneys, do you think he would want to be bothered with the sound bite shenanigans of politicians - that refers to all sides not just the one in power at the given time. I hesitate to blame civil servants; a bit of the unfashionable 'brainstorming' word, in a ministry and cabinet office comes to mind.

Sensible guidance would not be appreciated for public consumption. Why do these people fall into the headline grabbing trap every time? But then, the media have their own nonsense to answer for as well. One fairly sensible contributor on the radio today,not a politician, did not trip up when a miniscule section of his thinking was pulled out for discussion, the bit (you've guessed it) that could produce controversial headlines.

technomisttechnomist [Member]
2008-07-14 @ 22:08

I wasn't listening in to the radio today, I am afraid so I'm not sure what it is which was being discussed.

menhirmenhir [Member]
2008-07-14 @ 23:06

Don't worry, if it's really awe-inspiring, I'm sure it or the media, will catch up with you! :)

SeasideManSeasideMan pro
2008-07-14 @ 18:23

I agree with everything you just wrote.

Tom.

In the information and technology world of statistic building graphs and targeted marketing how come.......we are not allowed statistics to see what multi-cultural groups are most often involved with the surge of knife crime? Why is it so taboo? If eg Tescos can target us as customers with information drawn from statistic charts of buying habits from our clubcards, and marketing companies make such a hoo ha about collecting information on our daily lives to 'best serve us' why the political lack of such strategies to target the perpetrators in a similar way? Then target the particular problem instead of worrying about insulting anyone? Or shall they just do away with such logic and just make all knife carrying a prison sentance, so all florists, workmen, boy scouts camping and so on are tarred with the same brush? Blanket policies dont work. We never had such gun crime as since gun laws were tightened! Also, did we not give up our privacy and allow ourselves to be photographed in all our daily manouevers in the name of 'crime reduction'? So how come the crimewave? Are all the cameras on cars and carparking? Have the lunatics taken over the assylum?

technomisttechnomist [Member]
2008-07-15 @ 00:26

I have been in the local police station and seen the photos on the wall of all the local bad guys. I think the police know pretty well which socio-economic group they are supposed to be policing.

The cameras in our High Street are not operated by the police, and how right you are: they are apparently generally not trained on the High Street (as the shoppers all think), for our safety and the prevention of crimes against people, but on areas in side streets where the council can pick up money from parking fines.

technomisttechnomist [Member]
2008-07-15 @ 00:42

Actually, I must correct that. There were a whole load of baddies I know from seeing them committing their crimes every day, who weren't up on the walls. But there were plenty of other ones up there who should have been keeping the police busy. When I was there, all but one of the police and their PCSO colleagues were in the kitchen folding leaflets instead of being out patrolling the streets.

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